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lhaase0217
Posted 2014-10-25 1:53 AM (#88920 - in reply to #66281)
Subject: Re: Vintage Vogue pattern-how would you do this in PMB?


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Here is a better LAS. I have kept the raw peplum and the finalized version. Upon looking at the image more closely, I realized that there was drape only to each side of the center back. Also, in the pattern it seems the peplum was cut with a center seam. I didn't like that so I placed it on the fold. Whether that would work or not would require a muslin of the jacket to see how the drape will lay.




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magenta
Posted 2014-10-25 7:45 AM (#88923 - in reply to #88920)
Subject: Re: Vintage Vogue pattern-how would you do this in PMB?



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You really, really need to do your fit garments! Like Karen said, all your hard work could be wasted. Even if you make a test garment for the jacket it might be very confusing working out how to alter it.

Sarah
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cfonfold
Posted 2014-10-25 9:48 AM (#88928 - in reply to #88920)
Subject: Re: Vintage Vogue pattern-how would you do this in PMB?



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I didn't like it so I placed it on the fold.

Well it does place the Cb on the bias! And also places the side on the straight.

 Please do your FG.

Coopie



Edited by cfonfold 2014-10-25 9:50 AM
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lhaase0217
Posted 2014-10-25 4:21 PM (#88934 - in reply to #88928)
Subject: Re: Vintage Vogue pattern-how would you do this in PMB?


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cfonfold - 2014-10-25 8:48 AM

I didn't like it so I placed it on the fold.

Well it does place the Cb on the bias! And also places the side on the straight.

 Please do your FG.

Coopie

Yes, it is the peplum which I wonder where to place the grain line. From the image, it seems there was no movement of the center back seam on the peplum, only added drape to each side. More work would need to be done.

 Also, more details would need to be noted as far as width of arc'd (don't know what else to call them) panels on each piece. I feel it would be necessary to figure out where each swoop hit on the body, start and end point as well as the degree of the arc angles. This program requires you to add points all along the arc then move them one by one to escape from a perfect arc, unless I am missing something and I probably am.

I am not going to do a FG of this right now. Before I do, I want to do FG of the sloper to get all those details in the program then I will print and try to create this once I do some more work on it.

 Thanks for all the comments and helpful suggestions.

 Lisa H

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Karen - Tech Support
Posted 2014-10-26 6:23 AM (#88941 - in reply to #66281)
Subject: Re: Vintage Vogue pattern-how would you do this in PMB?



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We all want you to do the "Fit Garment" in the program.
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lhaase0217
Posted 2014-10-26 11:09 AM (#88943 - in reply to #66281)
Subject: Re: Vintage Vogue pattern-how would you do this in PMB?


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LOL Karen. To tell you the truth, I am rather afraid to, fearing I really DON'T know what I am doing. But I will give it a shot. I did re-do the design as I made a series of videos on how I did each step. I loaded the 6 part series to my YouTube channel which is listed in my profile. Don't judge me too harshly, you experts. What I think will work may not work at all. I found a large top sheet that I am not using for anything for the fit garment.

I will post photos.
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Karen - Tech Support
Posted 2014-10-26 2:04 PM (#88944 - in reply to #66281)
Subject: Re: Vintage Vogue pattern-how would you do this in PMB?



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If you want, send me your chart before you do your pattern. We can often see numbers that may need to be checked.

If you need assistance once you have done the fit dress, send your summary and three pictures, front, back, side to support@wildginger.com
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Cristina
Posted 2014-10-26 2:38 PM (#88947 - in reply to #66281)
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Hi Lisa,
Thanks for these videos you posted on YouTube..
What program did you use to record the screen while designing?
If you send me your body Height and the Across shoulder width, I could send you a croquis to compare your basic patterns before you cut the muslin.
Cristina
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lhaase0217
Posted 2014-10-26 11:28 PM (#88951 - in reply to #88947)
Subject: Re: Vintage Vogue pattern-how would you do this in PMB?


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Cristina,

I use SnagIt Ver 5. It is a very old version but still works well on these newer machines for the limited use I have for making videos. They do have a newer version at TechSmith which would be much better suited, and have more options like cursor highlighting, than mine does. I just can't spend more money on programs this year. This one was my brass ring for the year.

Thank you for the compliments on the videos. I only made them to show how to use the tools. That re-styling probably won't even work although when you look at the pattern pieces, it seems it would.

 

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Cristina
Posted 2014-10-27 10:37 AM (#88952 - in reply to #88951)
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Re: "That re-styling probably won't even work although when you look at the pattern pieces, it seems it would."

You just added style lines inside the patterns, the outline contour stayed the same as WG program made it.
Even though WG doesn't test the garments produced by their programs, WG also made the patterns from lines and arcs
exactly as you did, so from now on you test and sew the pattern -
1. create the msmt chart 2 gather the style patterns 3 bring your personal armhole into the pattern
4 align the patterns ( not on hemline but on the line at the lowest part of the armhole} 5 sew the muslin 6 adjust the patterns
and you should do this for every style you make from now on.

Did you found the solution to save the layout sheet you created ( youtube )?

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Cristina
Posted 2014-10-27 5:12 PM (#88953 - in reply to #88952)
Subject: Re: Vintage Vogue pattern-how would you do this in PMB?


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I downloaded Sagit ver 5 from TechSmith archive page - it doesn't work on XP, it's a miracle it worked on your Win 8
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lhaase0217
Posted 2014-10-27 7:33 PM (#88955 - in reply to #88953)
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Actually, I have Win 7 but have used it on XP when I had XP. PM me.
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Cristina
Posted 2014-10-28 1:51 PM (#88965 - in reply to #88955)
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Now it's working perfectly, Thanks Lisa
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lhaase0217
Posted 2014-11-05 6:07 AM (#89019 - in reply to #88965)
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Cristina - 2014-10-28 12:51 PM Now it's working perfectly, Thanks Lisa

There is a codec pack you need to get in order to get really clear screen shots. It is called  "ffdshow". My experience with that much older version is that it won't give a really clear screen shot without those additional codecs.

Happy filming!

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lhaase0217
Posted 2014-11-05 6:18 AM (#89020 - in reply to #66281)
Subject: Re: Vintage Vogue pattern-how would you do this in PMB?


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Well, I finished my muslin of the Arc'd Jacket. There are a couple of fitting issues I see in the back near where the peplum is attached to the center back panel. I think it has something to do with either the waist line of my dress form being about 1" longer, or it has something to do with the drafting of the peplum. Perhaps someone has an idea? I had at first cut the peplum center back on the straight of grain as it seemed so by the photo however that did not work. It put the side seam on a slight bias which caused it to not drape properly. Also, I had drafted that peplum with less fullness in the pivot and at a point closer to the side seam than turned out necessary so I redrafted the peplum to add the fullness only to the center back, 4" on either side. I feel that perhaps there is too much flare in the bottom half of the jacket, hip area I mean. and that I should reduce that a bit.

I did manage to get a basic sloper fitted so that setup process has now been completed.



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cfonfold
Posted 2014-11-05 9:24 AM (#89021 - in reply to #89020)
Subject: Re: Vintage Vogue pattern-how would you do this in PMB?



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Congrats on doing your FG!

I really think that until you get the princess seams repositioned you can't fit in all  the right places. PE time again I think.

Coopie 

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Cristina
Posted 2014-11-05 12:51 PM (#89022 - in reply to #66281)
Subject: Re: Vintage Vogue pattern-how would you do this in PMB?


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Hi Lisa, congratulation for your hard work, please post the muslin on a human body
since the dress form can show unrealistic details to be changed - that would be non-existent on a human body display
and after you post those photos I would mark on the photos where to " dart" or to slash the same muslin you have - to fit you better.
Once again, great work LisaH

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lhaase0217
Posted 2014-11-05 5:21 PM (#89023 - in reply to #66281)
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Coopie and Christine,

I agree that it needs more work and that it needs to be put on a human body for true fit. I just hate my picture taken. I know this form's waist line is much lower than mine. It is just so hard to fit yourself. My son doesn't want to have anything to do with fitting me as he says "I will have to get all up in "there":. LOLL
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lhaase0217
Posted 2014-11-05 5:45 PM (#89024 - in reply to #66281)
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I did mean to mention that the jacket went together beautifully. All the notch points I inserted matched perfectly. The curves in the panels sewed in perfectly even on both ends. There was very little easing I had to so (and not where the issue seems to be). I didn't include the raw pattern pieces in this last .las so I will include it here.



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Cristina
Posted 2014-11-05 8:06 PM (#89025 - in reply to #89024)
Subject: Re: Vintage Vogue pattern-how would you do this in PMB?


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Hi LisaH,

the back flared piece may be constructed also as to

slash the basic bottom part in 4 places like rays starting point somewhere on the sideseam

and landing on the hem line, creating 1" openings along the hem line of the panel

so you get the best distribution of the flares in the fabric

Cristina



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Karen Maslowski
Posted 2014-11-06 10:40 AM (#89028 - in reply to #89023)
Subject: Re: Vintage Vogue pattern-how would you do this in PMB?


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Well, here's the problem. You've done all this work, but without making the fitting garment first to check your measurements. Any tweaks you needed to make cannot be applied to your PE work without serious cutting and pasting.

If you had STARTED with a tweaked measurement set, and then done the PE work, the garment would fit you perfectly with no more adjustments. Now, if you want to make this, for real, and to have it fit you, you either have to alter this PE pattern (a dirty word for most WG enthusiasts), or redo all the same steps, if you can recreate them, from scratch, but using your actual measurements.

That is what everyone was trying to warn you about.

Having said that, I'm very impressed that you were able to do the changes so well that it looks very similar to the vintage pattern.
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Cristina
Posted 2014-11-06 11:02 AM (#89029 - in reply to #66281)
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If I remember my first test garment, I wasn't so good as you are now, LisaH, once again congratulations
for how fast you are growing being more of a DO-er than a TALK-er. Keep the good work and the good spirits!
Cristina
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lhaase0217
Posted 2014-11-06 4:35 PM (#89034 - in reply to #66281)
Subject: Re: Vintage Vogue pattern-how would you do this in PMB?


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Here are the photos of the garment on my body. I do want to say that the 1st peplum I cut and inserted did not create these tension wrinkles in the back however it did not lay right. when cut on the straight of grain on the center back seamline. I redrafted the peplum to add more fullness and moved the grainline to the side seam and then re-inserted. This is when the tension wrinkles appeared. Notice also that they only seem to appear on the right side. Strange.


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Grandma C
Posted 2014-11-06 5:02 PM (#89035 - in reply to #66281)
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Obviously you have talent and I encourag you to keep at it. I will be looking forward to seeing more.
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Cristina
Posted 2014-11-06 6:19 PM (#89036 - in reply to #66281)
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Some shoulder pads would make it great !
Or you may cut the back panel at the level of mid armhole, and rotate it to get a 3/4" overlap over the rest of the back panel
and you have the best muslin
Cristina
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