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rowena___.
Posted 2009-12-25 3:39 PM (#60205)
Subject: HELP! "new" sewing machine: i have met my match



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MERRY CHRISTMAS ALL!

for christmas i gave ella an adorable kenmore sewing machine that i found on craigslist--it's PINK!!!  and i can't figure it out.  LOL  it has a shuttle instead of a bobbin and i have never used one before.  i would be grateful for any help in winding and loading this thing.  






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Karen - Tech Support
Posted 2009-12-25 5:13 PM (#60206 - in reply to #60205)
Subject: RE: HELP! "new" sewing machine: i have met my match



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http://www.sew2go.com/shuttle.htm

There is a pictures of a threaded case.

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Susan in Miami
Posted 2009-12-25 6:16 PM (#60207 - in reply to #60205)
Subject: RE: HELP! "new" sewing machine: i have met my match



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Rowena,

What a fablous gift! Have you tried looking on line for printed documents that go with Ella's new sewing machine? I know that many of the sewing machine companies have this information available for download and they go back many years. Let us know what you find out. Your shuttle and spindle looks like what I use when I weave with my large floor loom. I have an electric winder for the spindle but your spindle is so small it would never fit my machine. I bet there is someplace on the sewing machine where the spindle will fit snuggly allowing you to wind a "bobbin".

Susan



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rowena___.
Posted 2009-12-25 6:22 PM (#60208 - in reply to #60207)
Subject: RE: HELP! "new" sewing machine: i have met my match



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thank you, susan!  i found the place to put the spindle to wind it, but putting it into the case properly is my problem, there are several little slots to loop the thread thru, and also i need to know which way the thread should be winding off.  i'm afraid to fiddle with it because i don't know what i'm doing.  LOL

no site i've found lists this machine, the model number isn't even in the database i found.  this makes me think it might actually be some other brand marketed under the kenmore label.  and i have never even heard of a pink machine, much less seen one!

ella is so , tomorrow we are going to get it all set up next to mine and we are going to sew together!!!  she has sewn on some of my machines but this one is all hers and she is so proud!  



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Susan in Miami
Posted 2009-12-25 6:57 PM (#60209 - in reply to #60208)
Subject: RE: HELP! "new" sewing machine: i have met my match



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Rowena,

From the picture that you showed us, I would think that the wound bobbin would be threaded from the open end all the way to the point. Is there a direction to the casing which would tell you how to set the shuttle? I would think the pointed end of the shuttle would be close to the needle point. This technology most definately comes from mechanized weaving so if you need me to research my old weaving books to see if there is required direction to winding the shuttle, I will.

Susan

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rowena___.
Posted 2009-12-25 7:20 PM (#60210 - in reply to #60209)
Subject: RE: HELP! "new" sewing machine: i have met my match



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the shuttle was seated in the machine with the point toward the right so you are correct on that.  what i am confused about is how the thread tail should be carried thru the shuttle itself.  there are all kinds of slots on the case, and i'm pretty sure the thread has to go thru it in a particular order for the tension to work.

i'm going to call kenmore on monday and see if they can help.

i should have checked the machine before christmas!  i had no idea it would have anything but a standard bobbin.  LOL


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margie2
Posted 2009-12-25 7:49 PM (#60211 - in reply to #60210)
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Rowena, calling Kenmore probably won't help you much. Your machine was not made by Sears. Sears does not make any of their appliances or machines that they brand with Kenmore. Here is a link to instructions for threading a bobbin into the shuttle: http://www.ismacs.net/newhome/threading2.html. This is a New Home shuttle, but it looks close enough that I think you can follow the instructions. If I could show you, you would get it in a minute.

Sorry the link didn't work. Will work on getting the information to you.

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margie2
Posted 2009-12-25 8:23 PM (#60212 - in reply to #60210)
Subject: RE: HELP! "new" sewing machine: i have met my match


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Rowena, I sent you an email with the link to the instructions. The shuttle in the instructions is a little different from yours, but they all are threaded in same way. You just have to see the similarities between the shuttles. What a great present for your daughter!
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rowena___.
Posted 2009-12-25 8:38 PM (#60213 - in reply to #60212)
Subject: RE: HELP! "new" sewing machine: i have met my match



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thank you margie2!  i think i have only one question now:  does the thread come off the shuttle from the left or the right? 

i feel like a kid again, this is so much fun!


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cfonfold
Posted 2009-12-25 8:39 PM (#60214 - in reply to #60205)
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I wish I could remember and help! The first machine I stitched on was a White with this type of shuttle. And as I remember it was not a difficult machine to use and the threading was not terribly difficult. I used it untill the mid fifties. Oh how much one forgets as the years go by. If I can find out anything I will let you know. what I remember the most was watching the bobbin wind! Because there was apiece that moved back and forth across the spindle and it was what encouraged me to do the same with my finger on later machines.

Coopie

p.s. Try searching "long bobbins sewing machines" http://sewingmachine221sale.bizland.com/store/page19.html

This address lead me to a set of manuals for long bobbi machines, both Singer and White.

C



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margie2
Posted 2009-12-25 8:44 PM (#60215 - in reply to #60213)
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I am going to say the left, but not real sure. Try both ways. It won't hurt anything if you get it going the wrong way and have to try the other. I learned to sew on a Singer with a shuttle bobbin many years ago and it was second nature. Now, I have to stop and think about it.
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Susan in Miami
Posted 2009-12-25 11:57 PM (#60216 - in reply to #60213)
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Rowena,

Your shuttle & spindle are called a "vibrating shuttle" and here is a web page with directions for winding and threading http://www.treadleon.net/sewingmachineshop/shuttle/vsshuttle.html

HTH, Susan

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Marilyn in Oviedo Fl
Posted 2009-12-26 8:36 AM (#60217 - in reply to #60205)
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Rowena,

There is a yahoo group called Wefixit that deals in helping with older machines and can lead you to a manual and probably answer any questions you have about this machine. Very cute machine.

Marilyn
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rowena___.
Posted 2009-12-26 10:10 AM (#60218 - in reply to #60217)
Subject: RE: HELP! "new" sewing machine: i have met my match



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oh susan, thank you, that is so helpful!  now i just have to figure out why the winding mechanism isn't working properly, i'm sure it is because i have the thread guided the wrong way on the machine.  

marilyn, thank you for reminding me about the wefixit group, i was a member about 10 years ago and then i sold almost all my old machines when i was pregnant with ella--i made enough money to pay for her delivery in cash!


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margie2
Posted 2009-12-26 10:12 AM (#60219 - in reply to #60218)
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Rowena, the winding mechanism might just need oiling, or the rubber tire is worn.

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rowena___.
Posted 2009-12-26 11:51 AM (#60220 - in reply to #60219)
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margie2, the "mechanism" such as it is, is simply a rubber wheel that meets the hand wheel--there is no other moving part.  i'm not sure you can see it clearly in the picture but there is a guide directly under the wheel, but the only thread spindle is at the top of the machine, so i'm having to navigate around the stitch length lever.  there are also some little tongues under the winding plate that might or might not be thread guides.

i have never, in 35 years of machine sewing, encountered a machine i couldn't figure out!  this is really fun though, ella and i have played with it a bunch this morning and we've already learned a lot.  

after we get this worked out, we're going to fix up the case, i'm pretty sure this is NOT the original case for this machine but it fits and we're going to make it sparkly.


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margie2
Posted 2009-12-26 12:28 PM (#60221 - in reply to #60220)
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Rowena, I collect old machines so I do have a working knowledge for these machines. I can't tell from the picture of the machine exactly what the bobbin winder looks like. Can you take a close-up? Somehow, the winding mechanism has to be operated by the handwheel through the rubber tire. If that tire is worn or not meeting the handwheel, it will not turn the bobbin winder. Is that the problem you are having, or are you not able to figure out how to thread the machine to wind the bobbin? When there is no spindle below the bobbin winder for the thread spool, you thread from the top spindle through the top guide on the faceplate and then down to the guide on the bed below the bobbin winder. That will help with the stitch lever being in the way.

Somewhere, there is probably a tiny hole on the bobbinwinder for oiling. If it has never been oiled, it may need just a tiny drop. There has to be something inside that makes it go around to wind the bobbin.
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margie2
Posted 2009-12-26 12:36 PM (#60222 - in reply to #60221)
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I wasn't looking at the picture when I wrote the part about the guide on the faceplate. On your machine, the guide I am refering to is the one at the top of the machine to the front. Go through that from the spindle and then to the guide below the bobbinwinder.

I enlarged the picture to get a better look at the bobbinwinder. I have not seen a bobbinwinder like this. It appears to me that there might be something missing. The bobbin end will go into the hole on the right next to the tire mechanism, but I can't tell where it goes on the left.

Edited by margie2 2009-12-26 12:42 PM
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rowena___.
Posted 2009-12-26 12:42 PM (#60223 - in reply to #60221)
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margie2, thank you for taking so much time to help me!  the rubber wheel is in excellent condition, and it is permanently mounted so that it meets the handwheel--it constantly turns when sewing.  what i need help with is figuring out the threading path to wind the bobbin.  i feel that i either have it threaded wrong or i am missing a thread guide.  or maybe i have the bobbin on wrong.  or maybe i have reached my level of incompetence.  :D

if these pictures are not close enough you can see the full-size images at my flickr account:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/10335393@N05/






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margie2
Posted 2009-12-26 12:46 PM (#60224 - in reply to #60205)
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Looking at the pictures helps. The bobbinwinder tire should not be in contact witht the handwheel while you are sewing. It will wear out too fast. I think you release it by tilting the bobbinwinder to the left away from the handwheel. If you can't tilt it, you may need to loosen that large screw below the bobbinwinder. I can't see from the angle of the pictures, but is there a place on that upright piece for the right end of the bobbinwinder?

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rowena___.
Posted 2009-12-26 12:47 PM (#60225 - in reply to #60222)
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oh we were replying to each other at the same time, i just saw your follow up post.

i found two pictures online of this machine and it looks like the winder is complete.  if i understand what you are saying, i should thread from the spool over to the left guide at the top and then down to the bobbin guide on the right hand side of the bed--correct?  then up to the bobbin?

the lever at the left of the bobbin winder pulls to the side to admit the bobbin.  there is a little notch on that lever that the tip of the bobbin fits into.  when the empty bobbin is in the winder, it fits perfectly and it runs fine, but actually putting thread on it has been a problem, i have been turning the wheel by hand so i can watch it wind to make sure i don't do any damage and it ends up being a mess on the bobbin, or the thread binds (that's why i know i've got it threaded wrong).


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rowena___.
Posted 2009-12-26 12:52 PM (#60226 - in reply to #60224)
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margie2 - 2009-12-26 10:46 AMLooking at the pictures helps. The bobbinwinder tire should not be in contact witht the handwheel while you are sewing. It will wear out too fast. I think you release it by tilting the bobbinwinder to the left away from the handwheel. If you can't tilt it, you may need to loosen that large screw below the bobbinwinder. I can't see from the angle of the pictures, but is there a place on that upright piece for the right end of the bobbinwinder?

AHA!  it actually lifts up and away from the case!  i was wondering!  that solves one mystery, THANK YOU!


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margie2
Posted 2009-12-26 12:53 PM (#60227 - in reply to #60225)
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Yes, you have the threading correct. It probably doesn't matter which spool pin you use, but the one to the left is probably meant to
be the one to use.

Does the bobbin spin when you try to wind it? Little secret...put the end of the thread in the right side hole to hold it while you start the
bobbin winding. Leave a tail so that you can clip it off.

Edited by margie2 2009-12-26 12:53 PM
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margie2
Posted 2009-12-26 12:57 PM (#60228 - in reply to #60227)
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There is a hole for oil! It is that tiny hole at the top of the bobbinwinder. Put a drop in there, it will love you for it.
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rowena___.
Posted 2009-12-26 12:57 PM (#60229 - in reply to #60227)
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margie2 - 2009-12-26 10:53 AMYes, you have the threading correct. It probably doesn't matter which spool pin you use, but the one to the left is probably meant to be the one to use.Does the bobbin spin when you try to wind it? Little secret...put the end of the thread in the right side hole to hold it while you start the bobbin winding. Leave a tail so that you can clip it off.

OH, great tip, thank you!  the bobbin does spin.  does the thread then just go directly up from the bottom guide to the bobbin?  no other guide?

i apologize for being so dense.


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