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Cristina
Posted 2016-10-19 8:53 AM (#91639)
Subject: Scale tool


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Shrink button - type 90 as factor scale to reduce the length of a line
and Grow button - type 900 as factor scale to redo the original line length.

If you try to Shrink to half a line, you should type 100 for scale factor
and the line is frozen, stay the same length.

Previous c4 factor scale formula was intuitive and stable in good results
(ex, decrease to half with 50 factor scale)

Can be this Scale tool repaired for C6 and also PM6?

Cristina
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Karen - Tech Support
Posted 2016-10-19 1:58 PM (#91640 - in reply to #91639)
Subject: Re: Scale tool results - unpredictable



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I think you are using the wrong tool to change a line.

I would use scale to reduce a pattern for a knit design.

To change a line you can segment in two or more sections. To increase a line to a new distance you can mark out a point and snap the end of the line to the new point.
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Cristina
Posted 2016-10-19 3:15 PM (#91641 - in reply to #91639)
Subject: Re: Scale tool results - unpredictable


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Hi Karen,

The same problem is present for the entire pattern piece
since you have to type the scale factor
( to reduce 10 times s=90, to grow back s=900 )

it took me a lot of time to test
and to be able to present you these values.
When I have to spend $ on a program I feel like I have to test in detail a few tools I frequently use.

Cristina

Edited by Cristina 2016-10-19 3:17 PM
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Lisa - Tech Support
Posted 2016-10-19 4:00 PM (#91642 - in reply to #91639)
Subject: RE: Scale tool results - unpredictable



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There is nothing at all wrong with the scale tool in either Cameo or PatternMaster and so it will not be repaired or changed. I have used this tool many many times and it always works. If you enter 100 for the scale factor, the line should stay the same length. You have not scaled it. You cannot shrink "half a line". The programs have never worked that way.
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Cristina
Posted 2016-10-21 12:40 PM (#91645 - in reply to #91642)
Subject: RE: Scale tool results - unpredictable


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What is the formula to calculate the factor scale?

Thank you,
Cristina
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Lisa - Tech Support
Posted 2016-10-21 5:06 PM (#91648 - in reply to #91645)
Subject: RE: Scale tool results - unpredictable



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Cristina - 2016-10-21 11:40 AM

What is the formula to calculate the factor scale?

Thank you,
Cristina


I am not sure I understand your question but I do no give out my formulas. They are proprietary.
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Cristina
Posted 2016-10-21 8:17 PM (#91649 - in reply to #91648)
Subject: Re: Scale tool results - unpredictable


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Hi Lisa,

you created Scale tool so the user type a number in the box
How does the user know what number to type?
What is the formula the user has to use to know what number to type in Scale tool?
The way we have to calculate should be found in Help for the Scale Tool.

Cristina
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Lisa - Tech Support
Posted 2016-10-21 10:07 PM (#91650 - in reply to #91649)
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There is no formula to know. You simply enter the percentage you want to scale. If you want a half scale pattern, enter 50. If you want a quarter scale pattern, enter 25. If you want to scale for knit fabrics, measure the amount of stretch in the fabric and use the stretch gauge to determine the percentage to shrink the patterns.
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Cristina
Posted 2016-10-21 10:44 PM (#91651 - in reply to #91650)
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Thank you, Lisa, so I suppose that if I have to reduce the pattern horizontally with 5% than I should type 5 for scale factor on X direction.
Or maybe not 5, but other number I should calculate with a formula
unless
5% reduction is produced after typing number 5 in scale tool
and I don't have to calculate anything since the two are equal.
Am I confusing things?

Cristina

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Lisa - Tech Support
Posted 2016-10-21 10:59 PM (#91652 - in reply to #91651)
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Cristina - 2016-10-21 9:44 PM

Thank you, Lisa, so I suppose that if I have to reduce the pattern horizontally with 5% than I should type 5 for scale factor on X direction. Or maybe not 5, but other number I should calculate with a formula unless 5% reduction is produced after typing number 5 in scale tool and I don't have to calculate anything since the two are equal. Am I confusing things?

Cristina



Yes, I think you are making it more difficult than it is. If you want a 5% reduction in the horizontal direction, then type 5 for the horizontal scale.
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Cristina
Posted 2016-10-21 11:50 PM (#91653 - in reply to #91639)
Subject: Re: Scale tool


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That would mean if I have to reduce pattern width of 10" with 5% ( meaning 10*5/100 = 0.5" ), after typing number 5 in Scale tool I will get a new width of 10-0.5=9.5"
I hope I get it right.

Thanks
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Lisa - Tech Support
Posted 2016-10-22 7:27 AM (#91654 - in reply to #91653)
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Yes, that is correct.
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Cristina
Posted 2016-10-22 1:32 PM (#91656 - in reply to #91654)
Subject: Re: Scale tool


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Considering that

Calculate Scale : shrink from original of 10"width to a final width of 9.5"

I would need to have also a new tool 

Scale With : shrink from original of 10" width WITH 0.5" 

 that I think would be very much appreciated 

 

 Thank You,

 Cristina

 

 

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Lisa - Tech Support
Posted 2016-10-22 1:37 PM (#91657 - in reply to #91656)
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The purpose of direct distance entry so that you can draw or edit lines to specific dimensions. The Locate Points tool also allows you to place points for the purpose of creating objects that are specific lengths. We also have the Calculate and Scale tool so there is no need to add yet another tool that would do the same thing as these tools already do.
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Cristina
Posted 2016-10-22 4:42 PM (#91658 - in reply to #91657)
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Hi Lisa,

How often do we say to ourselves the words:
I should take an inch from ... sleeve cap or...

That tool ( Scale With)
would be everyone's tool,
would gain the prize of popularity
because of its frequency of use and its simplicity.

And a great advantage is that instead of using 2 operation to get the result we want
we go straight forward to get the reduction we want.

Of course I wish for such a tool

Cristina

Edited by Cristina 2016-10-22 4:45 PM
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Lisa - Tech Support
Posted 2016-10-22 8:58 PM (#91659 - in reply to #91658)
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We already have such a tool. It is called Calculate and Scale. You can find it in the Utilities menu.
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Cristina
Posted 2016-10-22 10:39 PM (#91660 - in reply to #91639)
Subject: Re: Scale tool


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Hi Lisa,

If I have a width of 11.395" and wish to shrink with 3/4"
I have to perform 2 operations:
11.395" - 0.750" = a result
then use this result in Calculate and Scale.
If I had this new tool Scale With, I would had only one operation.

Sometimes we need that tool that we already have, sometimes we need the other.

Moreover, Location Point you presented previously, if applied on an arc wouldn't have the same harmonious effect over the designed arc as a scale type operation.

Thank You,
with my heart wishing to include everybody in thanking you for all these years you worked for us!
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Shrymp
Posted 2016-11-24 5:42 PM (#91694 - in reply to #91639)
Subject: Re: Scale tool


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I love the new calculate and scale tool. Saved me tons of time. My new wish is being able to just do horizontal or vertical separately. I guess I am just too lazy to use the scale tool and figure out my percentage.
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Karen - Tech Support
Posted 2016-11-25 10:08 AM (#91698 - in reply to #91639)
Subject: Re: Scale tool



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It does allow both horizontal and vertical separate settings. Picture below is from Pattern Editor but Pattern Design is the same.



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Shrymp
Posted 2016-12-14 9:54 AM (#91730 - in reply to #91639)
Subject: Re: Scale tool


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Yes, that is my laziness. I have to calculate the percentage opposed to just inputing from/to in inches like in the calculate and scale tool which does a beautiful job for both vertical and horizontal.
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