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Leighanna
Posted 2008-12-23 5:39 PM (#50658)
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Is there a way to track shipping on the new book. I just ordered it and can't wait to get it. I have a little down time and am like a kid waiting for her decoder ring.

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Leighanna
Posted 2008-12-24 2:43 PM (#50687 - in reply to #50658)
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OK, how wonderful are you guys. The book just arrived. It look promising. I was pleased to see that it is in the same format/style that my favorite textbooks are written.

Do I need a password or something like I did with the actual programs?

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Karen - Tech Support
Posted 2008-12-24 3:29 PM (#50689 - in reply to #50658)
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You can do the work in Pattern Editor or you can use the practice CAD that somes with the book.  The CAD with the book does not print patterns.  It is just a study tool.

You will register and get a license ID.

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Leighanna
Posted 2008-12-26 11:44 AM (#50701 - in reply to #50658)
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Thanks. It's now registered. I got a chance to thumb thru it and I recommend it to all newbies. I love the fact the I can look up what I need and it gives me step by step details for using the tools. I believe that the users that don't have much pattern making skills should have this as a source book along with any and all the other books that have been talked about in the forums.

I haven't had a chance to play with any of it yet, but I am a fan.

Thanks WG.

Leighanna
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rowena___.
Posted 2008-12-26 7:54 PM (#50718 - in reply to #50701)
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thank you, leighanna, lisa and i started on the book three years ago, and seeing it in real life was just amazing, to me at least.

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vickys
Posted 2008-12-27 10:07 AM (#50729 - in reply to #50658)
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I am interested in getting the book but as I read through the information on the website, I don't see it being a whole lot more information than the classes (all of them so far) I took with Karen combined with the Help in PMB. What advantages are there to the book versus the classes/Help that I have available to me already? I don't want to invest in the book if I already have all the information available to me.

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rowena___.
Posted 2008-12-27 10:55 AM (#50730 - in reply to #50729)
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vicky, the book is much different from karen's classes. karen teaches you how to use the WG programs to make patterns, starting from a base pattern or design.  the book teaches how to make patterns from scratch, using a CAD engine/pattern editor.  similar to the armstrong book, but for the computer. 

it certainly isn't for everyone.  we expect it to become the standard college textbook for computerized flat pattern making instruction for fashion design and costuming students.  if you are satisfied with your patterns now, or don't have the need or desire to create original patterns from scratch, then the book might not be of interest to you.  if you want to learn how making patterns by computer is different from making them on paper, then there might be some value, esp. if you have armstrong's book or some other flat pattern book to compare methods.

we will probably do another edition in the future, there are already styles and designs lisa and i both want to add.  the material in the current edition is what we cover in the beginner and advanced courses at fashion design online. 

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cfonfold
Posted 2008-12-27 11:59 AM (#50731 - in reply to #50730)
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Excellent job ladies! I'll be using this as reference this semester. Unfortunately, it's too late to require it as a text for the spring semester, and I am not sure if I will be teaching next year. There is talk of asking me back just to teach these courses--so we will see.

the book is much different from karen's classes. karen teaches you how to use the WG programs to make patterns, starting from a base pattern or design.  the book teaches how to make patterns from scratch, using a CAD engine/pattern editor.  similar to the armstrong book, but for the computer. 

 A quick perusal does not indicate the actual drafting of the slopers. I assume they are included as pre-drafted samples. (Just got the software yesterday and have not had time to take a look).

It is great fun to recognize the the work from Fashion Design  On-line!

In answer to Vicky's question-- I think I took all the classes--and although I had worked most of it out by my self over the years, there was always something new, and having the information well organized  and all in one place is worth it's weight in gold!

I won't give up teaching from my other books--but this looks like it could easily be a stand alone text. The price is certainly consistant with the market. Really a bargin since there are no--that I know of--texts that present this material.

I am very ! Again ladies---well done!

Coopie

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rowena___.
Posted 2008-12-27 1:37 PM (#50734 - in reply to #50731)
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cfonfold - 2008-12-27 9:59 AM

Excellent job ladies! 

thank you, coopie!  coming from you that means a great deal.

 A quick perusal does not indicate the actual drafting of the slopers. I assume they are included as pre-drafted samples. (Just got the software yesterday and have not had time to take a look).

that is correct, the CD includes pre-drafted slopers, much like other patterning books include 1/4 scale slopers for practice.

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Karen Maslowski
Posted 2008-12-28 10:56 AM (#50768 - in reply to #50718)
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There is nothing quite like holding your first book in your hands, is there? Congratulations to you and Lisa! I can't wait to see it.

I see this new project as being very useful for users of the software, and send my best wishes for big success with it.
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EasilyAmewsed
Posted 2008-12-28 2:04 PM (#50775 - in reply to #50730)
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rowena___. - 2008-12-27 6:55 AM

vicky, the book is much different from karen's classes. karen teaches you how to use the WG programs to make patterns, starting from a base pattern or design.  the book teaches how to make patterns from scratch, using a CAD engine/pattern editor.  similar to the armstrong book, but for the computer. 

Ah, I was also wondering about this. IF I did not already have the Armstrong book , this might have been very interesting to me.< On the other hand, I admit I did not have experiance or a strong interest in actually drafting things UNTIL I got the full PMB software and found then how cool PE is.
It does sound like an awesome textbook and hope that happens for you.  

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rowena___.
Posted 2008-12-28 3:07 PM (#50777 - in reply to #50775)
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easilyamewsed, the process for making patterns in CAD is way different from that on paper.  for example, you do not always slash and spread a computer pattern, you most often rotate or offset instead--you can't swing a ruler in CAD the way you can on paper, so you can't make slopes or angles the way you do it on paper.  you have to use totally different operations.  so if you plan to do your pattern adjustments in CAD, it would be wise to consider the book as you will save yourself tremendous effort by not trying to duplicate procedures that simply can't be done or that can be done much more efficiently another way.

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Susan in Miami
Posted 2008-12-28 4:03 PM (#50778 - in reply to #50730)
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Hi Rowena,

I was wondering about another addition of the book in the future since I took every one of the beginner & advanced Fashion Design Online classes and, therefore, have the documentation in paper & video format. I would love to also have a book with "more/different stuff". I can wait for the "future".

For everyone interested in the book, I know a lot of work has gone into this project and it is amazing. I also loved taking the classes with Lisa and Rowena. I give them the credit for what I know about PE and CAD along with Karen's classes. Each of those classes was also a big help in my journey toward PE independence.

Susan  



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EasilyAmewsed
Posted 2008-12-28 4:37 PM (#50779 - in reply to #50777)
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rowena___. - 2008-12-28 11:07 AM

easilyamewsed, the process for making patterns in CAD is way different from that on paper.  for example, you do not always slash and spread a computer pattern, you most often rotate or offset instead--you can't swing a ruler in CAD the way you can on paper, so you can't make slopes or angles the way you do it on paper. 

This is true..found out when making DD's 6 gore skirt. The second try using rotation to create a flare came out awesome.

Yeah, if I did this as a business instead of hobby/desparation it would be a necessity. The other thing I kinda wish is that there was an option to buy the book alone for a lower price without the CAD part. Since I own PMB4 which has PE, the CAD seems redundant. < I know this sounds stupid, but would be part of my consideration as a buyer. Apologies if my ignorance is annoying.

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rowena___.
Posted 2008-12-28 6:20 PM (#50781 - in reply to #50779)
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no buyer consideration is stupid!  we all have to make more difficult buying decisions these days.  if it makes any difference, the CAD that comes with the book has a few more tools than the one in the program, and the CD also has all the movies demonstrating how to make the patterns in the book.  so you have not only the text but also a video to follow as well.

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Posted 2008-12-28 7:11 PM (#50782 - in reply to #50781)
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To take advantage from this book would you not have to buy the working CAD Program; $ 750.00 EACH too?
The book cost $ 95.00.
(The CAD with the book does not print patterns)
So it is not a book for the average sewer, who likes to play with PE.

rowena___. - 2008-12-28 5:20 PM

...  if it makes any difference, the CAD that comes with the book has a few more tools than the one in the program,

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rowena___.
Posted 2008-12-28 7:32 PM (#50784 - in reply to #50782)
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no, you can use everything you learn in the book in the WG programs as is, but as i mentioned before we really anticipate that it will be a college textbook, for students who intend to go into the fashion or costume industries.  we believe that it will be of value to any WG user who wants to learn how to make patterns that are not in the WG library, or who simply have an interest in becoming expert at CAD.

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Posted 2008-12-28 9:14 PM (#50787 - in reply to #50781)
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rowena___. - 2008-12-28 2:20 PM

no buyer consideration is stupid!  we all have to make more difficult buying decisions these days.  if it makes any difference, the CAD that comes with the book has a few more tools than the one in the program, and the CD also has all the movies demonstrating how to make the patterns in the book.  so you have not only the text but also a video to follow as well.

Oho! Well, if the CAD version with the book is different that makes some difference. Okay, next...is it possible for PMBs PE to read the files made by the books' CAD? Are they in the same format ( .las)  or what? Will the tool 'extras' not translate? The other nitpik is what Ursula mentions that you can't print from the books CAD..but if import is possible then there's some sauce.

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Beverly A.
Posted 2008-12-28 10:29 PM (#50790 - in reply to #50658)
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How close (or far) is the CAD instruction from Dr. Phyllis Bell Miller's "AutoCAD for the Apparel Industry"? I took a class from her at Mississippi State a few years back when we used autoCAD R11. Her book shows how to use CAD to make patterns. I never did get a decent pattern using just plain autoCAD. She wrote her own program using autoCad but it was very expensive-somewhere in the $900 range if memory serves.
I have always thought there were some CAD commands missing from PMB that would be useful.
As I am definitely not an early adopter, I'll sit back and read and absorb the comments by those who buy and use the book. I do wish you success in your endeavor.
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cfonfold
Posted 2008-12-28 11:30 PM (#50791 - in reply to #50790)
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Way back at the beginning, while teaching myself to draft in cad I used Miller's book as a jumping off point. Since I did not use AutoCad and had no access to it at school it was difficult. But with very careful study usable. It was also all there was. It was pretty dry and dealt with the drafting process, with a discussion of how the tools could be used for flat pattern work. There was not an in depth series of illustrations and techniques.

Remember-- I already drafted--just not in cad. It did not take long to learn to type in co-ordinates though it was always a bit clumsey. For me. Learning how the tools were used was the most useful part. Working with the cad program I had at my fingertips (Symmetry) and using Miller's book as reference along with the Symmetry guide, taught me the basis of what I now know. And I practiced a lot. A whole lot. It was the way I spent my free time for several months.

I do a great deal of paper and pen style drafting. I just use the computer. All of our men's wear except pants are hand drafted. It is not as difficult as it might seem. Tailormade does pants as well as I can. Sometines better I think. But not dress wear. Not in my experience. Sack coats, tuxes, tails, period coats, military wear are all better shapes and fits when hand drafted. A personal opinion.

AutoCad is --I am sure--a great software. But complicated and hard to move around in. Or was then. It's probably better now. Lisa has taken all the anguish out of the flat pattern process. Really and truely. Her tools are simple and very elegant.

I am somewhat disappointed that there is not a section on actually drafting your own slopers, but that is really a hard core Luddite at work here!  You learn a great deal about how all those lines and angles work together when you study that. And I will continue to teach it as background.  But with PMB the slopers are so good that paper and pen drafting could become a lost art.

  Miller is still available and still I believe in it's first printing. I did a search for it several weeks ago for a student. However this new book is a milestone in my opinion. And long awaited.

Coopie

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rowena___.
Posted 2008-12-29 8:16 AM (#50794 - in reply to #50791)
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i have not worked with the book you are talking about, beverly, i have seen it on ebay but never bought it.  i do believe that autoCAD is not the best tool to use for patternmaking simply because it was never intended for that purpose so it doesn't have the tools or the actions available in it that patternmakers use. 

coopie, lisa and i have discussed teaching slopers and including them in the book, but lisa does her slopers in code and not by drafting, so the translation is not direct.  both of us have experimented with ways to make it doable but it has not been at the top of the list, because our first goal was to introduce the material presented in the FDO classes.  possibly in the next edition, if we can work out some of the problems.

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sheilaspeb
Posted 2008-12-29 8:28 AM (#50795 - in reply to #50658)
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I am a real newbie to PMB4 and I am interested is designing my own patterns, for myself, of course. This book seems really interesting and my questions is should I invest in this now or should I wait until I learn how to use the software?
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Posted 2008-12-29 8:31 AM (#50796 - in reply to #50658)
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Wait until you are comfortable using the program.

First you need to master selecting designs in Style Editor.

Pattern Editor is the icing for the cake.

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Posted 2008-12-29 8:42 AM (#50797 - in reply to #50796)
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Karen - Tech Support - 2008-12-29 7:31 AM

Wait until you are comfortable using the program.

First you need to master selecting designs in Style Editor.

Pattern Editor is the icing for the cake.



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Beverly A.
Posted 2008-12-29 2:22 PM (#50801 - in reply to #50658)
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Coopie: Talk about hard-core Luddite- I wish I could still use R11. It had the neatest "toolbox" you could drag around to where you were working and it could be customized for your personal use. DH had done a couple of LISP routines for me, too. My book by Miller is autographed by her, done when I took her class. I bought it years ago at Brown Book Shop in Houston. They sell all kinds of technical books. I think I paid $39, a fair sum at that time. I shudder to think what it would cost new today. (not on eBay) Ah, memories

Those of you who are early adopters, let the rest of us know how you like the book and what you are learning that advances your knowlege and ability to make the perfect pattern.
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cfonfold
Posted 2008-12-29 5:18 PM (#50804 - in reply to #50794)
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Understandable. I certainly don't draft them on a regular basis. I have PMB! And am very very thankful!

Coopie

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cindysews
Posted 2009-01-03 1:09 PM (#51006 - in reply to #50658)
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I just ordered mine! I am so . I will be good at this yet!
A question, should I use PE or should I install the CAD program that comes with it.
I guess I want a step chart for novices. I am pretty comfortable with PE, just the pattern drafting I know almost nothing about. I have Armstrong's book and that is great, but I want to be able to do all my work here at my computer and PRINT and CUT and WEAR! Not much to ask?
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Posted 2009-01-05 8:49 PM (#51081 - in reply to #50658)
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I received my book today. Since the PE program in the book doesn't allow you to print out patterns, should I install it at all? Is this program ever going to be for sale to upgrade our PE in our programs?
So much information to absorb, will keep me busy for a while. But I love how it really is an instructional manual to make the styles you dream of. Definitely worth having to help design or copy styles!
Thanks so much!
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Posted 2009-01-05 10:45 PM (#51087 - in reply to #51081)
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cindysews - 2009-01-05 7:49 PM

I received my book today. Since the PE program in the book doesn't allow you to print out patterns, should I install it at all? Is this program ever going to be for sale to upgrade our PE in our programs?


There is no reason for us to provide this program for sale as an upgrade. It has fewer tools than PE and does not print. Our goal with this book is primarily college fashion design programs. We provided the software free solely for college students who cannot afford pattern making software but need to learn computerized flat pattern.

If you want the movie tutorials and sample files, you will need to install the software. You do not have to use it though if you do not want to. You can use PE.
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Posted 2009-01-06 12:18 AM (#51090 - in reply to #50658)
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Great! That makes sense. I love PE, and hope to watch the tutorials tomorrow!
Thanks again.
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Posted 2009-01-06 9:28 PM (#51131 - in reply to #50658)
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I received my book today and think it will be helpful for learning PE.
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Posted 2009-01-09 5:49 PM (#51170 - in reply to #50658)
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Ohhh    <img align='middle' src='http://www.wildginger.com/forums/images/emoticons/idea.gif'>    This is one good book for me! The little I was doing in PE was so ass-backwards - clunky and in the wrong order anyways.  The beginning practice excercises are so much better than the programs. In the chapers on drafting the instructions are detailed and clear. Now I understand the why and when one would use the over 100 commands. Not to mention, the first thing you always do after opening the file, is to *save it* under it's new name! Even though you have nothing new there! <img align='middle' src='http://www.wildginger.com/forums/images/emoticons/idea.gif'>   I'm sorry, it's the little things I appreciate! <img align='middle' src='http://www.wildginger.com/forums/images/emoticons/goodvibes.gif'>  

I also like the spiral binding. So helpful when you are studying.

I understand that  maybe one doesn't need to use PE, but this is good if you do!!

Tessa

 

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Posted 2009-01-09 9:25 PM (#51173 - in reply to #50658)
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Me Tooooo....it's all those little things I didn't know, I didn't know! Example, I have been working in PE for a while?? and I didn't know when I drew a line I could just type in the amount and it would draw exactly that size, DAH! That's just one example. There are dozens. What exercises are you doing Tessa? I've been reading, so point me to them
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Posted 2009-01-11 10:44 PM (#51239 - in reply to #50658)
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I am doing the CAD tutorials on p.21 because I am trying to learn to use the Wacom pad and pen. It's easier on my wrist but harder on my patience! I like playing with the 4 squares rather than the plain lines and arcs of the PE tutorial.

So far my "ah ha" moment was that to lengthen a line you can write a minus number! p.64, "lengthening the CF to a single point distance"!  <img align='middle' src='http://www.wildginger.com/forums/images/emoticons/idea.gif'>    Do you know how long it takes me to 1,lengthen a line, 2, mark a point, 3 intersect and delete? I know it sounds like nothing, but it's enough to make me give up.   I haven't done each example before page 64, I was just looking.  

I also was impressed that smoothing arcs (in the making collars chapter) was something that Lisa and Rowena have to do, too! <img align='middle' src='http://www.wildginger.com/forums/images/emoticons/goodvibes.gif'>   I thought that I just wasn't careful enough with my curves. That is something I spend ages on with pencil and paper. Getting that French Curve just right...

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Posted 2009-01-12 7:24 AM (#51243 - in reply to #50658)
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What is a Wacom pad and pen?

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Posted 2009-01-12 12:03 PM (#51254 - in reply to #51243)
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It's like a mouse but it's a touchpad (tablet) and a pen like instrument that has buttons on it for right and double left clicking. Everytime you touch the touchpad with the pen is a left click. I use one all the time for digitizing embroidery designs, much easier than a mouse. I suspect most graphic artists and photo artists use them also, as they would make any artwork easier than a regular mouse.
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Posted 2009-01-13 10:58 PM (#51283 - in reply to #50658)
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Here are 2 discussions about the wacom tablet and pen set.

http://www.wildginger.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=5825&posts=12

http://www.wildginger.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=3957&posts=28

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Posted 2009-01-13 11:13 PM (#51284 - in reply to #50658)
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One of the links starts on page 2 of the discussion.

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Posted 2009-02-05 7:41 AM (#51802 - in reply to #50730)
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Rowena, if you do another edition in the future, would you also do an addendum to add the new features for those who have already purchased the book or would a person need to order a whole new edition?

I was able to thumb through the book last weekend and it is fantastic. Looks very similar to the flat pattern book I used in college 230 years ago except it shows how to use the Patternmaster tools. Phyllis in GA
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Posted 2009-02-23 8:20 PM (#52435 - in reply to #50658)
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i absolutely love the book! thus far, in my year of the learning!, i have only been working with styling options and hadn't done much in PE, after only a week of reading the text and watching the videos, i have made my first attempt at a pattern and am very pleased with the outcome!



i used the slash and pivot tool to create a gathered area for the side seam. there are additional photos in my photo album.
that i can hardly wait, there is just not enough time in the day!
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trina, that is marvelous!!!  i am so happy the book was able to give you the confidence to make this, i know you will get lots of compliments on both tops.

i can hardly wait to see what you make next!

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Posted 2009-02-23 9:11 PM (#52438 - in reply to #52436)
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Trina, that is just gorgeous! It's exactly the style I have been wanting to make. I have a couple of RTW tops similar to this, and they are so flattering! It looks stunning in red, too! And what an endorsement of the new book! I've been interested in it, but have held off on purchasing it until I have time to use it. Maybe I can do it, soon. I can't believe that you have only been using the program a year--fantastic!

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Posted 2009-02-23 10:37 PM (#52441 - in reply to #50658)
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TRINA!!!! I was debating on whether I should get the book but you have convinced me. I shall be ordering it soon. GREAT looking top.
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Posted 2009-02-23 11:46 PM (#52443 - in reply to #52435)
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Trina, You are such an example of plugging away at something in such determination. Congratulations!!!!! You top is beautiful.

How much extra did you add to the slashes besides most probably the darts that you must have rotated. I have sometimes not added enough and this makes a statement.

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Posted 2009-02-24 3:38 AM (#52449 - in reply to #52435)
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Trina Your top is just truly wonderful, and so inspiring! I did Karen's PE classes just last week, and have loved them and PE so much I am pondering getting the new book! You have just encouraged me to save harder Like you I also wish there was more time in the day, as I find using PMB so exciting. I am looking for a shop that sells 8 day weeks!!

Thank you for sharing,

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KElliott
Posted 2009-02-24 6:05 AM (#52455 - in reply to #50658)
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thanks everyone for all your compliments. i am very proud of my accomplishments thus far with my wild ginger software.

i pivoted 1.5 in. in two places along the right seam of the front left bodice. I'm not really sure why i choose 1.5 in. as a starting point, but i just guessed 3 inches total would be enough and i wanted to leave so room at the top and bottom of the gathers just to lay properly.
I am very very SB'ed so many times my darts are really small and very narrow, so i just pretty much deleted them. I know that may not be the proper way, but that's what i did. I thought about rotating them but with the gathers, i didn't think it would make any difference. So i drew two straight lines from seam to seam and use those to pivot from and then went back and did a terrible job of re-connecting my lines.
I honestly had been waiting to learn this technique just for the SB reason, even with changing darts to gathers in my designs i never seem to get enough gather space for my taste so this will help me with that as well.
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Posted 2009-02-24 7:26 AM (#52457 - in reply to #50658)
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I you would send me your pattern I would like to put it and the pictures on the Wiki.
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Posted 2009-02-27 11:31 AM (#52549 - in reply to #52455)
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Beautiful! You know you are going to have to teach your fellow "Gingersnaps" group how to do this. LOL!
Congratulations on your success. I just ordered the book!

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KElliott
Posted 2009-02-27 1:57 PM (#52550 - in reply to #50658)
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i am definitely NOT teacher material!! lol I just think right now, i have a lot more time to learn it then most, so i am trying to take advantage of that!

all hail to the year of learning!! that's my number one priority this year!

Karen i sent that file, let me know if you don't get it.
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Posted 2009-03-24 7:07 AM (#53310 - in reply to #50658)
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Karen - I don't see that this ever made it onto the WIKI. I would really like to make this top. Any idea when it might be there? Thanks!
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Posted 2009-03-24 8:10 AM (#53314 - in reply to #50658)
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I work on the wiki as I have time.
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Posted 2009-03-24 11:13 AM (#53324 - in reply to #50658)
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I think the top is lovely and will also try to make it when it becomes available.
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KElliott
Posted 2009-03-25 9:21 AM (#53369 - in reply to #50658)
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Paula, i have pattern pictures in my album,
http://www.wildginger.com/forums/photos/show-album.asp?albumid=360&...
if maybe a visual will help get you started. I am not a great explainer of things, especially since i am such a newbie in PE. but it's just a basic, knit top with surplice front, that i went in PE and used the slash and pivot tools to spread apart only on one side of the bodice.
as far as construction, i did my gathers first, then joined all my pieces together, top shoulders only, then i did my cover stitching all the way around the front, across the neck and back down the front. at this time, i also hem my sleeves with cover stitching. then i joined my side seams, attached my sleeves, hem the bottom and your done.
i am going off memory, which is not so great, and it's been a good while since i made the top, but i hope this helps get you started.

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Posted 2009-03-25 11:38 AM (#53377 - in reply to #50658)
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Thanks! I'll give it a try!
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Posted 2009-03-25 11:12 PM (#53414 - in reply to #50658)
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I ordered the book today! can't wait to get it!!
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Mayleen
Posted 2009-03-29 8:21 PM (#53524 - in reply to #50658)
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I hate to be stupid...but what new book? I tried to find the beginning of this thread, but have had no luck.

Any info would be appreciated, as I am just going to try out PMB4.
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KElliott
Posted 2009-03-30 8:11 AM (#53533 - in reply to #53524)
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no question is a stupid ??

The new book written by Wild Ginger, Digital Flat Pattern: The Apparel Designers Handbook, http://wildginger.com/products/dfp.htm

it will be an invaluable reference book.
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Mayleen
Posted 2009-03-30 7:22 PM (#53558 - in reply to #53533)
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Thanks! I just found it. It looks very interesting. I think I may order it, just to help me along with using PMB4 as I am very new to CAD.
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Posted 2009-04-01 9:52 AM (#53588 - in reply to #50658)
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I received my book yesterday, and I have been ensconced ever since!!!! I even took it to bed. Work and life have been going full force, and I haven't even had a chance to sew up my 3rd pants sloper, but this book is really incredible. REALLY. You ladies have done an excellent job. I can't wait to read it in order, ha ha.
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Posted 2009-04-01 11:55 PM (#53614 - in reply to #53588)
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Is there the same "hand-holding" with the book that we have gotten with the software?  I am on the fence with this one, as I don't think that I am quite ready for the book, as I have not ventured much into PE, I think that I may still need to figure my way around style editor in the program before I venture too far into PE.  I am hoping that I will figure this out enough that I will advance to this point, but my question is, for us beginners, should we wait until we figure out what we are doing??
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Posted 2009-04-02 9:49 AM (#53626 - in reply to #53614)
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You will find this announcement under the topic "Post's from WildGinger".


Posted 2008-12-05 11:45 AM (#50349)
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Hi All,

We here at Wild Ginger Software have completed our first textbook oncomputerized flat pattern - Digital Flat Pattern: The ApparelDesigner's Handbook. It is now for sale in our webstore. We are takingorders now and will begin shipping in the next two to three weeks oncethe books have come back from the printer.

Please note, this is a book for learning to create patterns in CAD. Itis not a manual for any of our software programs. It comes with its CADsoftware for completing the exercises or you can use Pattern Editorfrom PatternMaster but it is for learning flat pattern techniques nothow to use PatternMaster.

For additional details, check out the link below.

http://www.wildginger.com/products/dfp.htm
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Posted 2009-04-02 9:52 AM (#53627 - in reply to #53614)
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no previous knowledge of PE is required to use the book, we wrote it with the expectation that the user had never used a CAD patternmaking program before. 

we do not cover a lot of design theory, it is mostly technical (how to make given designs, how to do specific operations, etc).  if you want to get a feel for how the the material is presented you can download the sample lessons from fashion design online which is where we teach the classes that the book is based on:

http://www.fashiondesignonline.com/downloads/sampleclass.htm

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Posted 2009-04-03 1:46 AM (#53657 - in reply to #53627)
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Rowena, your explanation was ok, but my question is... should a new user of pmb wait until they are familiar (or even semi-comfortable) with the software first, before they venture to the book.
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Posted 2009-04-03 7:50 AM (#53660 - in reply to #53657)
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Here_Fishey - 2009-04-03 1:46 AM

Rowena, your explanation was ok, but my question is... should a new user of pmb wait until they are familiar (or even semi-comfortable) with the software first, before they venture to the book.


Hi,

I am not Rowena but will answer your question. The book has nothing at all to do with the PatternMaster software program. It is not in any way a manual on how to use the PatternMaster software. It is strictly for learning flat pattern on the computer. While the exercises in the book can be done in the Pattern Editor portion of PatternMaster, they will not teach you anything about measurements or fit or any other aspect of PatternMaster. The exercises in the book were written for both the beginning and advanced pattern maker in mind. If you have a desire to understand flat pattern on the computer and learn to make your own patterns in Pattern Editor, then the book is ideal for you and can be started at any time.



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Posted 2009-04-06 10:23 PM (#53836 - in reply to #53660)
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I have not used Pattern Editor much.  I have some patterns I've made from clothes I've taken apart.  Would the new book teach me how to recreate those patterns on the computer?
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Posted 2009-04-06 10:25 PM (#53837 - in reply to #53836)
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well, obviously it would not teach you exactly how to recreate those patterns--unless they are styles that are in the book--but it will teach you the techniques you need to know to recreate the patterns on your own.

alternately, you can sign up for a private session and i will teach you how to recreate your specific patterns.  i can also do the patternwork for you, if you choose.

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Posted 2009-04-07 2:52 PM (#53854 - in reply to #53837)
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Thanks, Rowena.
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sewitfitsyou
Posted 2009-04-23 5:36 PM (#54504 - in reply to #50658)
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Does the book have slopers of various sizes? I was wondering how the person in this thread how made the lovely blouse did that if the sloper was a standard size. Maybe she is lucky enough to be 1 in a million who fit a standard size?

Sue
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Posted 2009-04-23 5:41 PM (#54505 - in reply to #50658)
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there is a generic sloper file included with which to practice the exercises, but to get a custom pattern to your measurements you use your own sloper from PMB.

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Posted 2009-04-27 12:19 PM (#54666 - in reply to #50658)
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http://www.wildginger.com/wiki/Knit%20Shirt%20with%20Side%20Gathers.ashx

Katrina's shirt is up on the Wiki.

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Posted 2009-04-27 5:50 PM (#54678 - in reply to #54666)
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Thanks, Karen & Katrina, you made a lot of people happy with this one.

Susan

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annelthomas
Posted 2009-06-24 1:19 AM (#56261 - in reply to #50658)
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Thankyou all for this discussion on the new book. I have been tossing up wether to buy or not.
Have been using PMB for3-4 years now, but drafting my own patterns the pen and paper way for many years.
Up until now, I have been trying to use the Pattern Editor to produce patterns, but found it easier to draft the basics fom boutique and do the fine tuneing, manipulating on paper. The book sound like just what I need to do it all on the computer! No more piles of paper and sticky tape.
I will order it as soon as I can
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Posted 2009-08-07 9:42 AM (#57230 - in reply to #52435)
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Trina, these tops are fantastic! I've tried to get this result, but I didn't achieve it! Congratulations!
Virginia
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Posted 2009-08-07 11:00 AM (#57233 - in reply to #54678)
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My main question was whether the surplice seams were extened to the sideseams before the slash and spread. It looks like it was done with a very stretchy fabric and just stretched to reach the sideseams. I drafted a similar style yesterday starting with the curved V neckline extended to the sideseam just below the waist and then rotating the bust dart for the gathers. I haven't printed the pattern yet.
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Posted 2009-08-07 9:46 PM (#57235 - in reply to #57233)
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When I made this style, yes, I extended the neck all the way to the opposite side seam, basically making 2 front patterns that went from sideseam to sideseam below the bust area. 
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Posted 2009-08-08 10:15 AM (#57238 - in reply to #50701)
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What is the New Book you were all talking about?
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Posted 2011-08-02 7:02 AM (#77100 - in reply to #50658)
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Have you find your answer?
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Posted 2011-08-02 7:13 AM (#77103 - in reply to #50658)
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